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tomskerous
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| Matias wrote: | | Jem, please express your music also with the beating of the dynamics and we, the fans, will have a better listening experience. |
Sorry, but I believe that the beating of the dynamics was a very deliberate production decision and part of the overall musical intention.
The next album will probably sound totally different again.
But even then, I think we should temper this by saying that dynamics and the ability of people to comprehend richer and more compressed mixes has increased, just like their ability to understand Lost - which would have bewildered the average 'Gilligans Island' audience. I certainly want it to sound like a modern record, one which knows about the interesting artefacts that over-compression can add to a mix.
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Matias
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, Jem uses overcompression a lot as part of his expression. When stuff gets heavily mixed and highly compressed, it sounds so dense as it would explode or something. He uses this to contrast between light and heavy passages, and it's OK. But not for the whole recording! The pulsating of music is also a good thing to listen to, it just sounds good. Contrast in macrodynamics, OK. But the pulsing in microdynamics is vital!
I mean, try listening loud to Metallica's Death Magnetic all at once, and then do it so with the black album, in what you listen that is the same apparent volume. The second is much smoother in the long run.
As for the sound effect overcompression gives, crashes aren't smooth anymore and get overdriven, bass gets muddy, etc. Nothing positive here. In lower volumes it sounds like a jukebox or something.
You see, the notion of "modern recording" meaning overcompressed mastering is the key problem here. People got so used to that sound nowadays that shifting back to quality means being old. Next thing we will be buying MP3-quality CDs... so why buy CDs at all? 
Luckily there is a trend of mastering at lower volumes back again. Dream Theater already announced that their next album won't follow the loudness war.  |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:03 am Post subject: |
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I think the thing for me is that Jem knew exactly what he was doing, and did it on purpose.
we can like it or not.
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I don't get the arguments about things being 'mastered for MP3 / iPod / Car' versus high-end equipment.
When something's mastered so that the peaks are all clipped and everything turns into a distorted mush, it sounds like that whether you play it on an iPod or a "high-end" system.
It's a modern sound, it's true.
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nellie
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Egads is this nonsense still going on? 
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Matias
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| LivingForever wrote: | I don't get the arguments about things being 'mastered for MP3 / iPod / Car' versus high-end equipment.
When something's mastered so that the peaks are all clipped and everything turns into a distorted mush, it sounds like that whether you play it on an iPod or a "high-end" system.
It's a modern sound, it's true. |
Yes, that's the problem. iPods are nasty sounding lo-fi players.
I do own a 120Gb iPod Classic and I love it for mobility, but that's it.
When I get home I want to listen to my music properly, and overcompressed music sounds the same as it did on my iPod, while uncompressed music plays beautifully.
Why can't I have that same beautiful sound from Frost (and all other "modern-sounding" bands)?
That's the point. |
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Beano
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Has anyone checked out the wax cylinder version of EIMA yet?
believe it or not , it's in 5.1 
it takes a bit of tinkering to get the 6 hamsters synced up with the ticker tape and 6 cylinders, but it's a truly glorious sound to behold once it's all working properly.
On first listening it sounded like it had too much dynamic range to me, but I sent Jem a pm and he said all i needed to do was give the cylinders a blast with the complimentary chefs blow torch and it should give it a nice brick wall effect.
Truth be told , it sounds more dry stoned to me but overall i'd say it's almost as good as the CD |
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tomskerous
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There's a version in Semaphore too. But I thihk that sold out.
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nellie
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That's a shame.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone else noticed that the version mastered for the microwave oven explodes if played for too long? Or is my microwave faulty?
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tomskerous
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Sounds like the choir tape loops on the kylstron have failed then.
Suggest you just put it in the oven for about 75 minutes at 190 degrees
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: |
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but if you put one of those bacon-frying lid things on it, you will up the bass response quite a bit!
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Thanks for the tips guys. 
Gonna try the nuclear fusion version once I've built the reactor.
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